Episode 48: Jeff Dwoskin

Jeff Dwoskin

[00:00:00] Scott Curtis:My guest today was the winner of the Dick Perton comedy showcase and was a blogger for the Huffington post. He's a host of his own podcast. The Dwoskin show and is a co-founder of a popular Twitter app called hashtag Roundup. I mean, what more can you want out of a comic? It's Jeff Dwoskin Jeff. I appreciate you taking the time to talk to me today.

I'm excited to talk to you,

Jeff Dwoskin:Scott. When I heard you wanted to talk to me, I cleared my schedule. So anybody who won to. Best interview or word.

Scott Curtis:Yeah, I got

Jeff Dwoskin:that set up.

Scott Curtis:Yeah. That they sent me a JPEG is just honor enough. Just being nominated was cool. And being in the finals was neat. Uh, but uh, I lobbied hard for the votes and nobody else did obviously.

So I want, so

Jeff Dwoskin:that's how I, that's how I feel not being nominated. It was just, it was just an honor itself.

Scott Curtis:First of all, where are you from

Jeff Dwoskin:Jeff? Uh, suburb of [00:01:00] Detroit.

Scott Curtis:So you're still, you're still at where you're from pretty much, right.

Jeff Dwoskin:I am at where I'm from

Scott Curtis:you. Okay. That's cool. That's cool. I've done some comedy in Michigan.

I've done a Kalamazoo and grand Rapids. So, uh, I haven't done Detroit, so

Jeff Dwoskin:I, yeah, I've done Kalamazoo. Yes. Yeah. Beautiful city. I think I was there once for some comedy festival. They had there.

Scott Curtis:Yeah. Yeah. It's a

Jeff Dwoskin:laugh Fest or something.

Scott Curtis:Yep. They've got a lot of places to get beer. That's why I like it. So it's nice.

Um, so let's talk about when you did your first stand-up act. When did you first do stand up?

Jeff Dwoskin:I did my first stand-up. It was probably 2000 Oh two. Okay. I was going to say 12, but then I was like, Oh no, that's all right. Um, My daughter just turned 18. So it was just before she was born. And so [00:02:00] I did it as I took a class, a comedy writing class and Mark Ridley's comedy castle, and then it was, but I didn't, I went the week before the big show cause I wanted to do it before I've actual first time was the week before the actual big.

Seven minute. Everyone came to see me type thing. Cause I didn't want that to be the first

Scott Curtis:good.

Jeff Dwoskin:I wanted to have something under my belt. Yeah.

Scott Curtis:That's a good idea. So, um, what prompted you to do that? Because I, I can see, I looked at your LinkedIn profile and folks, if you don't know what LinkedIn has this kind of Facebook for business people, but, uh, your LinkedIn profile shows that, you know, you're kind of a overachiever, big brain, bigger ideas.

Uh, so you were obviously doing stuff before the standup. What prompted you to do that?

Jeff Dwoskin:That's a great answer. I appreciate that interpretation.

Scott Curtis:You can [00:03:00] call me on that if you want.

Jeff Dwoskin:Thanks. Always funny at work. And I had one of my early entrepreneurial efforts was, uh, I started one of the first web development companies in Michigan in the late nineties and Mark Ridley's comedy castle was one of the websites we did.

And one of the pages on their website was comedy classes. So. Years later when I was doing some consulting at a quest communications, the everyone was like, you should take home. You should, you should do stand up. And so they kinda I'm like, I had already always thought about it, but I didn't know. It was like a thing I didn't, you know what I mean?

And so I took the class and never, never stopped doing it until COVID.

Scott Curtis:That's great. And so obviously it kind of, uh, after taking the class and doing those first couple of performances that kinda got in your blood pretty quick, right?

Jeff Dwoskin:Yes. Yes. It's, it's something it's, it's addictive. You know, any [00:04:00] comedian can tell you that it's, once you start doing it, the thrill of being on stage and getting people to laugh, there's nothing better.

Nothing.

Scott Curtis:Yeah. Yeah. Do you, um, this is kind of off book, but the fact that you're, um, Kind of an entrepreneurial soul and you, you create things. Do you feel like standup kind of gets the brain working to do other things and you feel like you do other things better?

Jeff Dwoskin:Yes.

Well, I think it's a, it's a, I think it gives me an advantage in a couple of ways. One. One, I'm not afraid to talk to anyone. Right. When you're, uh, for those thinking about starting see, stand up comedy, like when you're standing in front of 50 a hundred people and they're not laughing and that's going to happen.

Yeah. Yeah. Talking to a CEO is nothing.

Scott Curtis:Yeah. Yeah. No doubt.

Jeff Dwoskin:Believe me. When you've been through the fire of 300 people looking at you, like, you're like, what the hell are you doing on that stage? [00:05:00] When you talk to like big shots where like, can you talk to a C level? You're like, yeah, I think I can handle that because there is nothing worse than being on stage and no one's laughing.

Scott Curtis:No doubt, no doubt. It also helps for your podcast too, because you're not afraid to ask anybody to be on it because I mean the worst thing you're going to get to know, and that's better than complete silence after a punchline.

Jeff Dwoskin:I think the benefit that I have that maybe not. At relevant on the first, uh, uh, um, on the first few episodes.

But I think my comfort level of doing this of the podcast and how I sound was probably fast-forwarded based on the fact that I had so much experience on stage. So I could turn into that person. You can see the difference between your mic and my mic. Mine's actually on a mic stand, like I would have on stage.

And I did that on purpose because I wanted. I want it to feel like I was on stage when I was recording interviews or doing my podcasts that put me into that [00:06:00] mindset being there. I just don't, I didn't get that from the arm.

Scott Curtis:Yeah. That's a good idea. I've actually,

Jeff Dwoskin:you guys say you have one in the back.

Scott Curtis:I got there.

I got one here, but I just use that for when I do online comedy and other stuff, but yeah, so that's, that's a neat idea. Um, so thinking about, um, your influences. Obviously you had the light commented before you started doing it. Who were some of the people who really thought made you think comedy is cool?

Jeff Dwoskin:Um, my early th the people that I loved early on were Steve Martin, Rodney Dangerfield. Dennis Miller eighties, Dennis Miller.

Scott Curtis:Yeah.

Jeff Dwoskin:Okay. Is it a very distinct difference alive Dennis? And then that stand up period of Dennis Miller. I love Rita Rodner. Um, Joan Wood grew up with Joan Rivers. Gary Shandling was, was always out of my house cause my parents like them also.

So, and bill Cosby, but this was before [00:07:00] everyone. Right. It was okay to like build down,

Scott Curtis:right. Was just still like the art you can sell. You can separate the art from the artist. I think.

Jeff Dwoskin:Well, at the time we didn't know the, we didn't know the impending issues, so.

Scott Curtis:Yeah, no doubt. Um, so thinking this is something I like to ask everybody simply because I'm, uh, I'm a voracious consumer of things that inspire me. So I like to ask everybody, what are you reading, listening to music that's going on in your life? What's. What's going on in your life, media wise, it's inspiring you.

Jeff Dwoskin:Hm. The new Bruce Springsteen album letters, letters to ever play. What is the name of it? Anyway, it's great. But then also the documentary on an Apple plus is great. I find myself reading books of people that I'm about to interview. So I'm reading. [00:08:00] A book on the incredible hope. Um, I just read Billy Vanzant's book, get in the car, Jane, which is great.

And, you know, so, you know, stuff like that. Um, but I mean, if I were to look at other books that I've read, um, Oh, hug your haters was, it was a good one that I read. It was more on customer service online, but nothing of interest, mostly business books is what, yeah.

Scott Curtis:Yeah, I do the same, but business books can be fun

Jeff Dwoskin:too.

Yeah. Some are really good. Yeah.

Scott Curtis:Yeah. Yeah. So, um, the last question on this is, um, w what would be your top three comedy albums or specials?

Jeff Dwoskin:That's it, that's a, that's a rough one with only 45 seconds left to go live. Um,

Scott Curtis:this is a very loose, very loose timeline.

Jeff Dwoskin:I'm a, I'm always bad with the very specifics. Um, [00:09:00] but I'll tell you the bill Dwyer one from a long time ago, Mary-Ellen Hooper one from a long time ago because were comedy central specials. Those were two of the ones that really, I remembered a lot and. I'm trying to think.

Um, what other ones there were, I don't know. I like, yeah. I love bill Burr. I mean, in terms of recent comics. Cause that's usually the next question, but like I do, I do, I'm trying to think like what would call me bill Cosby himself? There's nothing better than that, but again, I understand. Yeah.

Yeah.

Jeff Dwoskin:Um, but there was, those were great. Those were the ones that I, I kind of grew up on and. And really kind of cling to

Scott Curtis:great. So it's cool that you mentioned bill Dwyer. Cause I saw him, uh, it was one of the last shows I saw before, uh, the pandemic hit and, uh, very good. You know, he's, he's [00:10:00] still an excellent comic.

Jeff Dwoskin:Bill Dwyer is great. Yeah. Yeah. It was, he was the first person I worked with who I'd seen his special and I was like, Oh my God. I get to work with someone who was special. I

Scott Curtis:saw. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so before we, uh, uh, get offline here to talk real, um, I wanted to talk about your podcast a little bit, cause I listened to a couple episodes before we got going, uh, before we started here.

Um, so tell me a little bit about the Jeff Dwoskin show.

Jeff Dwoskin:Well, as you can see from the image it's sarcasm to learn now, um, the Jeff Dwoskin show was basically my attempt to kind of just channel the creative energy once COVID hit. So I started it, I started conceptualizing it like March and putting everything together.

And then I put out the first episodes of the end of may. And so I've been doing a weekly ever since I released three at first. And so it was sort of my. Originally, I was going to do something [00:11:00] years ago with social media, but you can die. I need to cough, but I don't want to cough. No, I hate when people coffin I'm there, I'm getting through it without a cough.

It's like holding back a sneeze. But, um, but so I wanted, I was originally gonna do social media, but then, you know, cause I have such a strong social media background, but there wasn't, it wasn't lighting my fire. So. It's sort of a combination between comedy trends, pop culture and social media. So I do a little social media thing.

I do, uh, I do some bits up front. I don't go right into the interview like some do, and then the interviews are all prerecorded, so they're not happening live or anything like that. And then I focus on, you mentioned hashtag Roundup at the end. I find a hashtag that we had done at some point that is relevant to something that maybe that happened in the show and read off some tweets from there and then share those tweets on my Twitter page as well.

But the interviews are, you know, it's, it's people that I want to [00:12:00] talk to, you know, actors, writers, comedians, you know, so lots of fun people that I enjoy. And then, you know, my theory is, well, if you like, what I like, you're gonna love the Jeff to watch,

but, uh, you know, either. I like a nice skew towards older pop culture. So a lot of it is some of it's in Soulja. I'm a big fan of Comicons. And I love when we go to the Comicons and meeting all the old celebrities or older celebrities and getting pictures with them and their autographs, and you can't see it, but like my whole wall is that.

So I almost consider the Jeff Dwoskin show is my Comicon dreams coming to life where I get to actually then talk to these people and, you know, so. Yeah. Th it varying lengths. Some people talk for a long time and some are not, but they're all really interesting stories, which is what I think is it is at the core of everything.

And so, and I love hearing them. So, [00:13:00] you know, it's, and then some of the comedian ones are a little different cause the comedian. And our views there. They don't like to necessarily be interviewed. It's more yeah. Back and forth, which I have a good time with too. So it's a little more kind of, you're just going back and forth and maybe talking about some things that are a little more current.

Scott Curtis:Right, right. Yeah. It's funny. I think your Bob zany interview is exactly the same length as my Bob zany interview. He cuts out right when he wants to he's like, okay, got to go.

Jeff Dwoskin:Well, we had agreed on a time ahead of time, zany interview. It's funny if you listen to it, the whole thing, which I encourage all your listeners to listen, to episode my episode with Bob zany.

But like, it's funny because. I was trying to be respectful of the 30 minute time limit. And it plays, if you listen to it carefully and know, now that I'm saying what's going on, it's like the end of a Lord of the rings or return to the King where there's like three endings.

Scott Curtis:Yeah.

Jeff Dwoskin:I was like, all right, well, you know, cause I was [00:14:00] trying to be respectful of it and then.

It started back up again and then I wanted it back down and I started it and then I got started back up again. And so that's, isn't me back to it. I'm like, there are three endings to this year, but it's great. Cause one of the funniest things that happened was in the third

Scott Curtis:end. Right, right.

Jeff Dwoskin:So, um, it was fine.

It was great. It's it is nice to. No, reach back to people who maybe wouldn't otherwise talk to me, you know, but when you have the podcast, it's another good reason to start back as

Scott Curtis:people. Yeah. Yeah, no doubt. You get to talk to some of your idols. And, uh, Bob, Bob was one of mine, so that's great, Ken, uh, before we sign off here of park and people find you on the internet, uh, besides your.

10 million Twitter followers.

Jeff Dwoskin:Um, Jeff Dwoskin show.com. Is the, or Jeff is funny.com is [00:15:00] probably easier for most people. They both go to the same place. And that's the show website, uh, where you can join my mailing list. Listen to any episode there, if you want, you can also jump in to subscribe from there.

I, you know, Apple, Amazon, Spotify, wherever you like to listen. Definitely a like, and, and subscribe both to my podcasts and to Scott's behind the bits.

Scott Curtis:Yeah, there you go. Thank you. I appreciate that.

Jeff Dwoskin:And, and so do that. And then on Twitter and Instagram, the show is at Jeff Dwoskin show and my personal is big mocker, which if you make your way to, after Alaskan show it's, it's in the bio, I don't expect, you know how to spell that.

Scott Curtis:Oh, that's great. One of the things I wanted to talk about right off the bat is. Um, the fact that you, I know that you pretty much started the up as more of a hobby than anything, but you got good at [00:16:00] it because you're winning contests and getting noticed and stuff like that. How did that affect you as far as did you ever say, Hey, I'm just going to put everything else down and be a comic, or how, how did that make you feel, knowing that you're pretty good.

Jeff Dwoskin:Um, Well, it made me feel good, but it was frustrating because I didn't have anything that would. Get me picked for Boston comedy festival. You know what I mean? Right there, like I never got picked for the festivals or anything like that. I got picked once for one and I got there and I'm like, I couldn't figure out why I was there.

I mean, not because I'm not funny, but it was just like, everybody seemed connected to somebody else. So in I D I wasn't in, I was, it was just, it was just weird, you know what I mean? And, um, and so. It was frustrating. I mean, there were times where I thought, Oh, maybe this will go somewhere, you [00:17:00] know, but nobody, I, yeah, it was hard too, because I started later and I wasn't willing to work for nothing.

And you know, when you talked about, does your business that my business acumen. Probably is why I didn't go anywhere because I didn't feel that anybody respected it. And, and so, you know, I don't mean everyone, but like, you know, If the club said, do 10 minutes. I did 10 minutes. Cause they said do eight and a half.

I did eight and a half. If they said be there 30 minutes early, I was there 30 minutes early. I did everything. But in this business, nobody gives a fuck. You know what I mean? It's like, they'll give you, you could have an entire weekend. And then they decide, Oh, we need to close for this weekend. And you're screwed.

They don't pay you.

Scott Curtis:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Jeff Dwoskin:And so, I mean, you booked your time. You, you blocked my time. You didn't book me to actually do it. Yeah. That's the bonus. Yeah. But you know, that kind of thing.

Scott Curtis:So yeah. So when you actually talking

Jeff Dwoskin:about comedy, I kind of [00:18:00] can get real serious. So it's like, I, like, I'm not funny.

A lot of times when I talk about comedy

Scott Curtis:and that's, you know, that's what this podcast is about because people who want to get in the comedy game or are at a certain level and they want to raise it up, they need to know what's ahead of them. And it's not all. Yuk Yuks

Jeff Dwoskin:I won't tell you who, but people you interviewed did a set so bad in front of me once it's like, I thought like to, like I had to dig out, I have never had that done.

It's still thinking about the whole, I had to dig out his name. It's triggered me. I'm like, Oh God,

Scott Curtis:you can tell me when we're not recording. I'll tell you when I'm not recording.

Jeff Dwoskin:Nah, I don't want to tell you. He might be good now.

Scott Curtis:So a lot of them get better. So as far as the comedy is concerned in your life, do you feel like the, um, obviously, you know, after you said you did it all the way up until, uh, the [00:19:00] pandemic hit, but is it something that you're, you're always writing and you're always thinking about, or do you just, uh, have stuff come to you and, or are you working on new stuff now?

What's, what's it like for you?

Jeff Dwoskin:I kind of switched to the podcasting and I've turned down gigs. I'm not ready. I'm not going to go back anytime. It's not. I just, I don't, you know, the one, one of the, I don't want to, I won't say this because the club cleaned up, but it's a friend of mine's club. Um, no, he asked me, Hey, you want to do a weekend?

And I'm like, no, no, I'm not ready to come back and breathe on someone. Else's a mic that someone was just breathing on and yeah. They were open in one week and I had to close back down there, an employee ed COVID, you know, they're fine. They're back open again, but it's like, yeah, not for 200 fucking bucks.

Yeah. And then the other place, Hey, would you want to open? And it was too bad cause it was with someone I really wanted. No work-wise and then, but I ha I can't pay you and I can only pay you $200. It was normally [00:20:00] 300 and 300 for 18 years and I'm like, my dude, I would work for free for you, but. Not too, I'm not paying to it.

I'm not getting $200 to get COVID and lose my smell. Right. I don't need it. You know? So it's it's so the, the podcast became the thing that, you know, I write bits. I don't just go right into the interview, you know what I mean? And yeah. And I don't my interviews. Yeah. Um, well, if you listen to the Bob zany one, I, you know, I never know how to comedians.

You never know it's a different kind of sparring. And so. You know, you can see that if you listen to that, you can tell. I mean, not maybe, but if you play it back in your head, like, I, I started sparring a little bit or pushing back a little harder in a fun way towards the end of that, the second half, because I find, I realized what he wanted or what, what would work.

Um, but you know, it's like I was interviewing somebody yesterday. He goes, you know, I realized that the guy goes, I realized I didn't let [00:21:00] you jump in. And I'm like, I'm not interviewing you and say, you hear me talk. Right. You know what I mean? So it's that kind of thing. So

Scott Curtis:yeah. I always tell people when I do my editing, if I see too much stuff on my track and not enough on the guests, that means I failed.

So that's a, that's a big deal for me. So thinking, thinking about the podcast, because it's, it's funny because I listened to about a third of the Bob zany episode and it felt just like my last Bob zany episode. So I went to the Carl Gottlieb one. And, um, what was it like to interview somebody who was such an obvious hero of yours?

Jeff Dwoskin:Carl, Carl was great. The difference with Carl was it was more of an interview. Then kind of a reflection type thing. Right? Right. So like he says in the interview, you know, it was a job. So when you were I fanboy over something, you know, we don't, we don't want to believe it was a job. Yeah. [00:22:00] We don't want to believe that it was, the jerk was accidentally

Scott Curtis:the fucking jerk.

Jeff Dwoskin:Come on. We don't want to believe though. That was just, I haven't sands. Right. So. You know, you know, so that was, that was, that was, you know, uh, but, you know, but he was, he's a legend, so it's like, you know, you know, so, you know, it was just kind of one of those things. So, um, but no, he was super nice and I'd send him stuff after and he autographed it and send it right back.

And cool. Yeah, he was, he was really cold. I haven't, you know, that's, that's one of my favorite wines cause he, he kind of pushed me a bed in terms of. Making sure. I really kind of thought about what I was asking. Right. Because I think a lot of times we do where we're loose, we ask the loose question cause we know the person will just start yapping.

Yeah. I'd love to talk to him again. Yeah. Yeah.

Scott Curtis:Cool. Cool. I think he's on the list of, uh, people that are going to end up on mine. So I just wanted I'm I'm listening to all of those [00:23:00] first so that I can get ready.

Jeff Dwoskin:You know, I, he, yeah. Yeah. I, I, that's what I do, you know, I listen to other people's other people's mostly cause I want to see if I can go in a different direction really.

You know, so yeah. But he, I mean, he's, he's in, he's old school. Cool. And he's worked with these amazing people and, you know, it was just, it was great. You know, I got, I got the couple of things out about jaws that I wanted to ask him, you know, and yeah. You know, but we talked a lot more about his improv background.

You know, the guy's just a funny guy. I mean, he came up with Steve Martin, Rob Reiner, Bob Einstein. That's a super Dave Osborne and you know, just all the Rover, the Smothers brothers, it's like, it's insane. You know,

Scott Curtis:you seem so young, you seem so young to know that stuff

Jeff Dwoskin:I interviewed. And that's how I know.

Yeah. I'm not, I'm not where, um, they, the benefit of, uh, Of podcasting is [00:24:00] everyone thinks I look a lot younger than I do. Sounds like someone's like I have a friend I'm going to send them your picture so you can see what you're going to look like when you're 43. I'm like, dude, I'm way past 43. He's like, Oh, then my friend must look like crap.

Scott Curtis:So that's great. Um, so let's get into the meat of what I wanted to. I think you're going to be a good teacher of this. Uh, so comedians, um, first off, uh, they do a lot of their own promotion. Uh, second, they all start a podcast. It seems to be the natural progression for them. And you very early on understood the benefits of social media and how you can turn that to your advantage.

And, um, the, the little Caesars stuff is, you know, that stuff of legend right there. And, um, the fact that you did that. Is very important. And I, and I'm very glad in your podcast that you put, you put [00:25:00] those tidbits of knowledge out, but let's talk about, uh, a comedian who is, you know, they're, they're really wanting to get started.

Maybe they started a podcast or something like that. What would you say would be the best first steps they could take as far as social media is concerned?

Jeff Dwoskin:Sure. Um, one is you kinda got to dip your toe. Into a few different areas, you know? So where I've had the most success personally on Twitter, it does, you know, I try hard on the other ones.

You know, I have personal success on Facebook and by what I mean by that is. My not my friend group, you know what I mean? Like I have, like, I'll say stuff and like, if I get political or be funny, um, the people I know will react to that and you know, on Instagram, I am, I, I try really hard. I really do. Um, funny because I have another friend named Nate who [00:26:00] goes on Twitter and does okay.

On Twitter. But then he takes a picture of that. And he's a, he's a mast over 10,000 followers. And in the end he just puts a picture of his tweet on Instagram and he freaking blows up. He blows up, you know what I mean? And, and so, um, I actually started, I, I had to redo all my kind of accounts just as I was starting to do the podcast.

I like, you know, but I think you just have to kind of try. So if you were to focus on Twitter for a second, which I think is. It should be the comedian's best run Twitter because it's words and it's edited words, right? It's short form words, which is if you're not good at editing and short form words, you're probably, um, something you need to work on as a comedian.

But so it really kind of plays to our strengths to be funny, with very few words. So what I found very early on from comedians and I started this way too, but if you look at my timeline, Or my, [00:27:00] my page. It's not just me. You know what I mean? What I find is a lot of comedians and a lot of people also that say Twitter doesn't work for me.

Nobody everyone's doing so much better than me. It's like, well, because you're just dropping it on your page. Right. And let's say you have a thousand followers, so let's just say over a thousand followers. Right. So, um, when you post something right, uh, and you have a thousand followers maybe. 5% might see it might see it.

Right. So that's a thousand followers. That's 50 people might see it might, right? Yeah. So when you get a, like, Or two, you're kind of beaten the odds. It doesn't feel good. It's like going to the is like, it's like going to a nickel slot machine and putting in a Nicole winning 10 cents. You know, you, if you, you had percentage-wise did better there than you'll ever do in the real market, but it doesn't feel good because it's only 10 [00:28:00] cents.

You know what I mean? So on Twitter, It's about engaging and it's, which really is kind of the same on Facebook and Instagram, I think. Whereas you've got to find your community and then really engage in actively be a part of them. You have to like other people, you have to retweet things. If you're like, Oh, I don't want to, my, I don't know.

I want people to come to my timeline and see how funny I am. Well, okay. Well, don't worry about that. Show him what you think is funny too, because you have to provide value and sometimes the value, isn't just your words. It's it can be what other people are saying too. You know what I mean? If someone shares with you a recipe in real life that you then make the rest of your life, you never forgot who shared with you here.

You know what I mean? So it's like, there's little things like that, that help. And frankly, When you put something out, you, not that it's a tit for tat type thing, but when you share other people's stuff, other people are more likely to share your stuff. It's, it's just, it's [00:29:00] about either being selfish or not selfish.

Think about that and just apply that to the real world. If someone's a self-publish son of a bitch, you don't go out of your way to help them. If they're giving. Then you, you go out of your way to help them, right. Or engage with them or share something that they did. It's, it's a simple philosophy. It really is.

Um, and, and so that's, that's what it kind of comes down to. And Twitter is I think the best for that with hashtag Roundup, what I found is the kind of the power of the hashtags. Now people like talk about hashtags. Like, and I don't mean I'm not talking about hashtags. Like. People are talking about hashtags.

Like when they go to Instagram, Oh, you gotta use the right hashtags and blah, blah, blah, blah. I like we do with hashtag Roundup is we create moments. So like every hour and I encourage anyone to go. Grab the hashtag Roundup app. It's on the app store. It's on the Apple and Google it's free. It's free. I made it, but I gave it away for free.

And so every like, or 90 [00:30:00] minutes, there's a new hashtag that comes out. And I don't mean like Monday motivation. I mean, like something fun, something like, um, Let me look, something like odd jobs for Jason Vorhees when they were just dead. Right. Or when I need a moment of relief or cheer up Donald Trump.

Scott Curtis:Yeah.

Jeff Dwoskin:Yeah. So, you know, those are the types of things. So what those are right from a comedy point of view is that's a premise. And so what a lot of people don't. No to do or can't think of as, what should I tweet? What should I even engage with? Well, we offer premises and hopefully they're broad enough, you know, that, you know, you can go, Oh, I can contribute to that.

And then part of the entire process is as you contribute, other people share yours, you share theirs, and you're kind of doing it at the same time. And when you're using a hashtag, the benefit of using a hashtag is if you only have a thousand followers and I have 40,000 followers, When you click on a hashtag, [00:31:00] it equalizes us and everyone's going to come up that use that hashtag.

So that's how I can find you Scott, Curtis. That's how you can find me Jeff. Dwoskin when we're not actually following each other. But then we like, Oh, Scott's funny. Oh, Jess funny, we follow each other. Right? Like each other's tweets, we share each other's tweets. We kind of now get to know each other a little bit.

Maybe we comment. Oh, that was, you know, whatever. And so. You know, that's kind of how it works. And so, and it doesn't happen in one day and it doesn't happen in a week. I've been doing it for over five years. You know, if you go back to my tweets from 2013, I guess more than five years, if you go back to those.

They don't have any likes or retweets. Yeah. Okay. Right. Yeah. When I was like putting out some really funny stuff. Yeah. Everybody was there, you know what I mean? So, but eventually somebody caught on and then saw the stuff that I did, which is the same philosophy to me, with my podcast. You know, I don't have as much Liz animate as many listeners as I bike.

I don't think any [00:32:00] of us would ever feel we do, but I feel like if I'm putting together a great collection of things, And I see this people, all of a sudden, you know, I'll see what one will tick up. Yeah. Everyone will take up. Right. And I'm like, Oh, maybe somebody just discovered it. And then when they go from podcast episode to episode, they're like, Oh, this is good.

And then hopefully they'll stick around. Right. That's that's sort of what I'm trying to do. So, you know, talk to different people, kind of bounce it off. Talk to comedians, talk to legends like Carl golly. Talk to you, Bob Xannies, you know, Aaron Cummings, actress, you know, that kind of thing, Susan and Eric, Holly Maroney, you know, they all have these interesting stories and they've all been part of something that we grew up with.

Right. You know, so, and you know, to me, like it's a lot of fun to be able to, to talk to them and bring that around. So what I did find is like with social media, Yeah. And I've, I've actually asked a lot of people about this other podcasts. Yours is the [00:33:00] worst audience to try and get. So listen to your podcast seems to be your friends and family.

Oh yeah.

Scott Curtis:My son has never listened to one.

Jeff Dwoskin:Yeah. And I joke, I think I got 27 episodes right now. I think my wife's doesn't it too. Yeah. You know, but I know with like, you know, it's so it's hard, but then somebody will listen and then they'll, they'll stick with it. You know what I mean? So it's like, I think podcasting is still in its infancy, even though some people, you know, I've been doing it for seven years or whatever, it's like, I still think it's, you know, it's getting more mainstream now that I heart radio and Amazon music and everyone's embracing it.

So, but I don't think it's easier for people to. When there's 15 places to listen. I think somehow, like we've tricked ourselves to think that's a good thing. I don't. It is, you know what I mean? It's because people get kind of deride the headlights, you know, it's like, right. It's like, I don't know where to go.

I don't know what I don't know. Well, usually, so that's [00:34:00] why I just say, go to Jeff is funny.com and you can listen right there. You have to go somewhere else to subscribe, but you can just listen from my web browser, from your web browser. And that's sometimes the easiest thing. So. You know, but that's, that's the kind of thing.

So with Instagram, I've had people kind of helped me have tried to create like a little look, you know? So if you see the post, you'll see, like, in my last mine nine posts, I look way different than everyone before. And like, well,

Scott Curtis:I might steal some of that cause I need to work on my Instagram.

Jeff Dwoskin:Well, I'll you I'll tell you and anybody who's listening, like my secret to success is Fiverr.

F I V V E R I think a lot of stuff, five or six greatest, you know what I mean? I went there at a 25 bucks. I'm like, I need an Instagram template. You know what I mean? And so, you know, there may be four templates, you know, that kind of thing. So. You know, those, those kinds of things are so cheap. It's like embarrassing.

It's like, it's hard because if you actually do that living, it's like, I know it's not, [00:35:00] it's not, it's not good.

Scott Curtis:Do you tip them? I, sometimes I tip them double, double what I paid for it.

Jeff Dwoskin:It depends on I paid. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I mean, it's, you can almost do anything on, on. And five, right. I had to make a flyer once for something I like paid a guy 25 bucks.

Scott Curtis:Yeah. Yeah. And you get your time back and that's worth a way more than 25.

Jeff Dwoskin:Well we're even if you just use it then like, you know, and then tweak it from there or something like that. It's like, it's so worth it. It's that, it's that headstart. You need a lot of the times

Scott Curtis:Chelsea. So thinking about, I wanted to, um, go back to Twitter and think about strategy because I've, I've.

I'm right about a thousand followers, um, maybe eight something or nine something. And my, uh, I did start trying to reposting and stuff like that, but it feels like, okay, if I were to repost something that you posted or something that, uh, or retweet, whatever, um, [00:36:00] If I were to do that for like you or Jim Gaffigan or Nate or gassy or something like that, they're they don't even know.

Um, so should I be looking for people who are more on my level or just above my level to, to, um, be that retweet? Guy for,

Jeff Dwoskin:um, why am I blanking his name? Deadpool Ryan Reynolds. Right. So I tweeted at him once and he just liked it even after the tweet. Yeah. And I think I got over 1300 likes because he likes it.

Scott Curtis:Wow.

Jeff Dwoskin:Yeah. So it doesn't hurt, but that shouldn't be your core strategy. It didn't work the next time I tell it down, but here's the thing. If you go to Twitter and you can click on, um, explore, and then there's a trending area and there's two types of trends. So when you're looking at trends on Twitter, A lot of times it defaults to trends for you, which [00:37:00] means it's trends within that 800 person group of yours.

Okay. That's not what you want. You want to change it to United States or if you're in Canada, Canada, or whatever, I actually have different browsers with different countries. Oh, okay. So I've can't well, mostly Canada. And us cause they're close and usually one follows the other. And so what you could do is, so from a comedian point of view, uh, our, our good friend, Scott beyo did some Trumpy thing today.

So I, you know, you can, here's the beauty of that comment. It's evergreen. Cause he does it so often and you don't have to worry about, Oh no, that dates the podcast. Nope.

Scott Curtis:As long as he's

Jeff Dwoskin:alive, here's the thing. So you don't, you don't have to tweet with hashtags to go viral. Okay. So if like, so Scott bale, the words Scott Bayeux were trending, right? So it was like a top 10 trend in the U S so if you see something as a top 10 trend in [00:38:00] the U S and then the word is Scott Bayeux right.

A joke. It doesn't even have to be. It'll sound good. If you can tap into what actually is happening, but you could also just write a joke about Scott Bay IO. Make sure you spell it the same way it's trending. And now you've used the words that are trending and it'll come up with that trend. So when people.

Search for that trend. It'll do it. You know, it's like, I mean, not that, you know, I do is when people die, that I do care about, you know, I don't know for everyone, but like when you do a rip, you know, you know what I mean? It's the same idea and it doesn't have to be the hashtag. You can, it can be their name that they're dying or, uh, that, you know, that's trending that kind of thing.

Um, But that's a good place to find. I used to do, I do that all the time. I chopped cheese as also trending. So you can work out like some kind of joke with those words. I'm not saying this is your a hundred percent strategy. This is your 10, 15% strategy. But, um, but you know, you can do that. [00:39:00] You know, I'm telling you with hashtag Roundup, if you have the time to put in.

That's a good, it's a great community to get involved with. I've been doing that for five years. My wife was not even a comedian has over 10,000 followers. Wow. You know, there's some people in there that have 20, 30, 40,000 followers, you can really kind of pick it up. But what people are talking about, if you want to get seen, especially as a, as a comedian, talk about what people are talking about and that's, and that can be part of your thing.

You can also just drop your jokes. You know what I mean? But, um, well you do both. You do everything and it's like, Hmm. And then when you write something and you're like, Oh, no one retweeted that. Well, here's the thing don't make fun of black lives matters. No, one's. No, one's going to retweet that. You know what I mean?

Like, yeah. Just like be smart about what you're doing and you gotta be, you gotta, it's not about you. Some are like, I'm cutting edge. I'm like, okay, great. They'll read it. And then they'll make an opinion of you or they'll move on. You don't have, but no, one's going to retweet that. And then, you know what I mean?

Like, it's just, you know, when you make [00:40:00] fun of certain things, it's just not going to get you anywhere because you want to be broad. You want to be true to yourself and your voice. But you also want to be not, not an ass to be quite honest, you know? And so, you know, just be careful while you're kind of doing, you know, don't, it's not, you know, people, I think sometimes think it's Twitter and it's like, no, it's it's real life.

I mean, people are going to find these tweets and you see the cancel culture. Now they're going back, yours dining staff. So a lot of years, you know, so don't. You know, don't tweet things that you can't literally stand by and, you know, but, but don't also go and play it if no one's sharing it, if you want to do it, do it, but just don't complain.

It's like, this is gold.

Scott Curtis:Yeah. Yeah.

Jeff Dwoskin:Here's the thing. If you get done three tweets and tons of retweets and sensory tweets and something, doesn't get tons of retweets, but it's gold. Those are the people that are on stage and have those years. So the, uh, you know, you gotta like think like, all right, you know what, here's an idea.

Maybe it's not gold.

[00:41:00] Scott Curtis:Yeah. Yeah. Don't blame the audience,

Jeff Dwoskin:but

Scott Curtis:maybe go, I talked to a lot of people, um, who use a lot of forms of social media. So you got the Twitter, the Instagram, Facebook tic-tac or just the myriad of things. And some of them say, well, Okay. Instagram works for me. So I'm just going to do Instagram and I'm going to throw everything else away.

I'm just, I'll keep my account, but I'm not going to do anything there. Is that a good strategy or a bad strategy?

Jeff Dwoskin:Yeah, and I think it, you know, my, my friend, Nate, his crew, he creatively writes on Instagram and then it blows up on. I'm sorry, creatively writes on Twitter and then it blows up on Instagram.

So you don't have to win, win at every platform. I still do Instagram, even though I'm not winning on that. Like I do on Twitter, you know what I mean? So I think. They're also very different [00:42:00] mediums. You know what I mean? Like Twitter, Instagram is great and it happens to work for him, but it's not a medium where you just pose words, you know what I mean?

It's a, it's a visual medium, you know, so if you're gonna do the videos or now they have like the thing, like tic-tac on Instagram, the reels, you know, you can do that, you know, but I think there's kind of a test for anything. Twitter is great just to test out. And see if you can get a reaction on some things that you could then build up into other ideas and stuff like that, you know, Twitter is what's happening now.

Right. You know what I mean? Here's the other thing with Twitter is Twitter is where you can get noticed by buzz feed or other things. Right. I have a page on my website that I have to finish. Cause I didn't finish porting it over, but I mean, I've had tweets in almost every single major. Publication read on the news.

Read on because when you talk about something that's happening, they go to Twitter to fill content people. Don't write articles on, Oh, here's 10 posts on, uh, what [00:43:00] people are talking about on national pizza day from Instagram. And it's just, they don't do that. It's always Twitter. Yeah. So as a comic, yeah. I think you need to be on Twitter and it's like, it's just, I just think you do.

It's just, you know, There's no, there's no downside to it other than the same kind of work. And it's less work because there's no images, you don't have to do images. Right. You know, it's just your words, you know? So,

Scott Curtis:so let's pretend like, uh, so I've got this podcast and. Everything I do centers around the podcast.

And if you look at my logo, um, I am nowhere to be found as far as the logo. So I'm, I'm not personally branding anything. I change it to behind the bits with Scott Curtis, cause somebody recommended that I do that, but I did that. Purposefully because I did not want it to be about me. Um, we want it to be about my guests.

So let's say I want to be successful [00:44:00] comedian, which that's not even, that's not in the cars, but let's, let's say that I wanted to do that. Should I create separate accounts in order to achieve that? Or can you do everything from one account?

Jeff Dwoskin:You can, that's a great question. You can do everything from one accounts.

Um, I have a separate account, you know, for the Jeff Dwoskin show, so they can be just that stuff. Cause it would get lost on my personal account. And sometimes I might be political on my personal account and maybe I don't want that on the podcast. You know what I mean? So it depends how intermingled. Your voices and what you're trying to do or say,

Scott Curtis:okay.

Jeff Dwoskin:Yeah, but also give my, you may not always do the podcast or you may change the podcast, so it doesn't hurt to have, um, you know, sometimes people may not want to connect with a [00:45:00] business, you know, calling a podcast of business for a second, but like, uh, you know, so it doesn't hurt to have Scott Curtis have his own account so that people know, you know what it is.

Scott Curtis:I do, I do have my own account. I don't know if I remember the password or anything, but I think I do have my own account. I

Jeff Dwoskin:think he can do password recovery.

Scott Curtis:Yeah.

Jeff Dwoskin:I named my show, the Jeff Dwoskin show because I want to be able to know is my show.

Scott Curtis:Right? And you're well, you're somebody who is more of, you're more of a brand yourself just because of the things you've created and the.

I mean just your Twitter followers alone. You're a brand yourself. I am not. So I wanted to make the, the fact that this is a serious talk about standup comedy, the brand, because I'm obviously not going to sell it. I mean someday,

Jeff Dwoskin:who knows why he did win that award?

Scott Curtis:Yeah, I know. Yeah. I got a JPEG. Um,

[00:46:00] yeah, I, uh, I, I really do think about that because the, the only, I I've, I've never felt that I've been super successful, any social media. Um, but I've, um, Dabbled in it, and I've never put a concerted effort in to any one. And so I've just, I think, after talking to you, I think I'm going to try Twitter and see what I can do with that.

Jeff Dwoskin:Yeah. It just only, because people kind of might look for you there also, I didn't have a Twitter account because he followed me today, but like, um, or at least the bit the podcast does, um, yeah. Yeah. So it doesn't, it doesn't hurt it. Legitimizes it a little bit too. Right? So it's, it's, it's a thing here's, it's home, you know, you know, that's why I have always, I have a website for it too, and not everyone has a website for it, but I converted my old comedy website.

That's why [00:47:00] Jeff has funny.com takes you to that site. I used to be my comedy. So, you know, when I was doing stand up nonstop, but you know, once I kind of, this became who I was. I, you know, I just kind of converted that over. So it made it more about the show than, than that. So, you know, plus you can, you know, we didn't talk about search engine optimization where, you know, getting it out there that way too, which is why one of the reasons I kind of created the website.

So yeah, it doesn't do a lot, but maybe yeah. Yeah.

Scott Curtis:SEO back links, all that stuff. That's fun. Hashtags. It's just nuts. It's just amazing. All the stuff you have to do. Um, so thinking about where you're going, obviously comedy is not a number one for you, but, um, you've learned a lot from it. What would you say is the best advice you got from a stand-up comic?

[00:48:00] Jeff Dwoskin:Oh, the best advice. Two things, one, uh, Mary Ellen Hooper. Well, it was a comedian that I was working with and she kind of saw me doing my act. And she was like, yeah, if you're doing like all this father stuff and family or the frustrated father, and then you're doing observational jokes as well. And she's like, get rid of it, all, get rid of all the observations, just be the father.

I goes, that's just, that's who you are. Just do it. Anyone can do observational. The, the issue with, um, observational too is, you know, that's where you get people fighting over. I came up with that joke. Yeah. Well the everyone saw the same stop sign and you. There's only so many directions, you can go with something.

So it's like, when you, you know, when you create something that is from something generic it's, you know, then it. It's likely that someone else thought of it as well, or think of it. Right. Or, and [00:49:00] so, you know, when you start drawing off your own experiences, those things only happen to you, you know? And so, you know, that that kind of makes you more unique.

Um, but okay. Here's Oh, here, I thought, I thought it went, okay. This was a good one. So this is what changed my comedy life. Okay. I had all these that's, you know, all these like two minute bits and. You know, when you're starting out, it was hard. I would on my wall watch. I would, uh, you mentioned like I was at a corporate background.

I purposely went out and bought a $10 Kmart watch and it would wear that Friday. I called it my comedy watch. I didn't want to wear my expensive watch, but like, uh, I would put a thing on my, on my, on my wrist and I would write down the things cause I was petrified of forgetting. Right. Yeah. Cause there were so many bits that you right.

And somebody was talking about, um, norm Stoltz, who's a great comedian. And he was like, he's a great storyteller. And he's like, well, you know, but they all started out as [00:50:00] little bits and then he's struggling them together. Am I? Oh, that's brilliant. So, yeah. Um, I, I, so I took SAR, taking all these bids that I had that were sort of independent of each other and I created a thread so that one could be into this, Oh, this joke.

About this necklace. That could be a joke from a it's something I gave my wife, you know, so it's like, and then it could be so all of a sudden, like I have this birth routine and like, so all of a sudden the birther team became these five different routines, but now it's easy to remember because it's all one narrative.

I changed some of the, you know, the way I would tell some of those other jokes. So it fit into the narrative, you know, 95% of it stayed the same. It's just maybe the. They're kind of lead into it, you know, just so it was relevant, but then all of a sudden it's easy to remember a seven minute bit, you know, because did instead of seven different bits, because they all kind of go into each other, they all work together.

And then when they work together, it actually is. Better for the audience, because they're now coming [00:51:00] along. They don't have to keep resetting every time you start a new joke, you know? So you're just keep building on the same things, but, you know, they're all individual things, but you're just, it's just how you're packaging and selling it.

Right. And then the other thing that I. Yeah. I was told, which was by Jim Wiggins, who, uh, Phil's Diller told him this. So indirectly from Phyllis ticks. But, um, he said he saw me, he was working with me and he was like, I would look above the audience and cause it was one way to kind of deal with being on stage and being in front of so many people, I would look above them.

He's like, I noticed you look above the audience, Jeff. And he's like, I'm like, yeah, he's like, you can't do that. You gotta look them in the eye, gotta look them right in the eye. And he goes in, you'll get it. The laugh. You're going to get the laughs. And he's like, and, and even if you don't get the laugh, you'll get all laugh because.

You're looking at them in the eye or creating that connection with them. And then I started doing that and it was [00:52:00] almost like magic. It was like, you look at someone, especially like when you get fixated with the person who isn't laughing at any comic knows what I'm talking about there. Right? The one guy.

And he's like, if you look at them, it would become like a video game in my head where I'd look at them in the eyes and I'd tell the joke right. To them. And it works still because the audience feels you're looking at them because you're, you're, you're looking at one person and you're connecting through one person and then they would laugh or smile.

And I would, in my head, I would picture like, kill it all. Yeah. Mario

Scott Curtis:coin, you got

Jeff Dwoskin:a coin. Yeah. And, uh, and so, so, you know, I was like, all right, I got that one. And then once you get them, once you won them over and then you just keep going. And so, and yeah, that would, that would be the kind of thing that I would do.

And that, that kind of, I realized. Losing the fear of looking at them in their face is like, what kind of really transformed and made me unstoppable on stage. It was like, I was like, when you, once you completely lose the fear, [00:53:00] it's like, you know, it's crazy. It kind of, kind of goes back to like the other thing in terms of.

You asked me earlier during the live on about some of the things that helps turn business. And one of the main things is presenting is, is being able to either present directly to an audience or a, you know, someone you're pitching a deck to, or in front of an entire group. Cause like when I get up at a company and talk to an entire group and they they'd always say.

Yeah. If someone was presenting, they'd always be like, don't, don't put me after Jeff.

Scott Curtis:Yeah.

Oh, so you're the headliner and all the presentations.

Jeff Dwoskin:Well, you know, it's just because they're scared. They've never done it before I'm walking out there. I don't need a scribe. I didn't need the practice. I didn't need to do anything that normal people would because I'm coming from, from a different place.

So, and. You know, and then you [00:54:00] just, you do your thing and it's like the comp, you know, confidence sells that's that's the other thing, right? Comedy's 95% confidence. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, yeah, so I think it helps in lots of.

Scott Curtis:Yeah, I got to say, when you talked about the fact that you went from the observational mixed with, uh, family guy stuff, uh, I'm in a totally conflicted situation myself on that, because I've got a.

Ton of observational stuff about boomers and boomers using social media and stuff like that. And it kills. And, but I've got all my family stuff too, and they're two separate things and they don't necessarily go together.

Jeff Dwoskin:Right. Yeah. So you make the boomer, your grandpa.

Scott Curtis:Yeah.

Jeff Dwoskin:Yeah. Right. So you just, you take the, you change that you slightly changed the narrative of the joke.

And you make it, and then it makes it even more personal. Right. And so you could still do the joke. You just changed the characters in the [00:55:00] joke to fit the larger narrative of who you are. Is, is this a family person now, now you're creating something that they can relate to and it is making your mother-in-law and it'll be gold.

Yeah. Earlier when you started, you start tweaking things and it's like, just change the frame of the joke. It's just, you don't, you don't have to like. You don't have to get stuck on how you wrote, wrote it originally, just, you know, as you adapt, you can adapt, uh, you know, with the stuff that's adaptable, you can adapt to, to how you want it to the new you on stage.

Hm.

Scott Curtis:Isn't it funny, even though you're not thinking about comedy, you still got all that in your head and you can talk about it and that never goes away.

Jeff Dwoskin:No. The greatest skill that comedian has is available to having a full conversation and being in, I have a full conversation with yourself in the back of your head while you're engaged or presenting or doing something, you can actually start thinking, all [00:56:00] right, what comes next?

What comes next? Yep.

Scott Curtis:That's true. Multitasking. That's it. That's the only way to do it. That's great. Um, so. I really appreciate you talking to me today. This has been very enlightening and I'm going to hit my Twitter hard. Uh, just based on what you said. So watch me, you know, retweet me.

Jeff Dwoskin:You can send me a DM.

I don't see it. Cause I don't look at that feed very often. Just there's so much in there, but if you, if you. Shoot me something I'll I'll retweet it.

Scott Curtis:Oh, that's nice.

Jeff Dwoskin:That's probably why I didn't.

Scott Curtis:Yeah. Um, so just one more time. I want to make sure people know where to find you. Can you, um, go over your socials and your website again?

Jeff Dwoskin:Sure. Sure. Uh, the show can be found pretty much, you know, Apple, Amazon music, Google, you know, uh, Spotify, anywhere. Those can be found. Um, and, and so, you know, if you want to go there and [00:57:00] subscribe. That'd be great. Uh, Jeff Dwoskin show.com. I'm sure Scott I'll put all this in the, in the notes too, but like Jeff Dwoskin show.com or Jeff is funny.com.

That's the website, um, at Jeff Dwoskin show on Twitter and Instagram is how you can find the show and I'm APIC Monsour, which is in the, um, And also on Instagram and Twitter. B I G M a C H. Yeah.

Scott Curtis:Okay. Okay. Great. Well, this was, this was a lot of fun. If you got a second, I'll tell you my Bob zany story. Cause it's podcast related.

Jeff Dwoskin:Go ahead. Go ahead.

Scott Curtis:Okay. So I, before I did this podcast, I did a local podcast to, for almost six years, it was called Michiana people. And I talked to people from all over. The, um, Michiana area, but Bob was going to perform at a local comedy club and. I'm a huge fan. I've been seeing him since the eighties [00:58:00] and probably seven, eight times.

And, um, absolutely love him. So I set up the interview. I, uh, hit him up on Facebook. He said, yeah, I'll do an interview. And I hit him up on Facebook and that's he was living in California at the time. And for some reason I had in my head that. California was two hours behind us instead of one hour. So he's got my number.

He calls me, he says, Hey, we're going to do this interviews. I was an hour late. Are we going to do this interview? And I'm like, Oh no. So I got it set up real quick. And we did the interview and I had a totally different setup. I was audio only and all that, but we did the interview and then, uh, When I started this podcast, I hit him up and he was one of my earlier interviews and he's in Vegas now.

And I made the same stupid mistake. I've been on time for every single interview I've done. Except for that one, I made an hour mistake. He calls me and he says, Hey, are we going to do this?

I'm like, [00:59:00] yeah, let me get set up. So one of the guys, I like the most, one of my favorite comedians is the one I screwed over twice on an interview, but he was still nice enough to do it.

Jeff Dwoskin:I used to have these, uh, black shoes and then deep burgundy shoes and in the dark, which is why most superheroes wear have dark colors is in the dark.

Everything looks. Yeah, dark. Right. So I would get ready for work. And you know, those shoes look the same and in the, in the dark, right? So I, one day I came to work and I wore one black and one burgundy shoe. And then I had this interview with this guy, Ron, and, and then the only other time I ever did it was months later also.

Had a meeting with the same guy

and it was just one,

Scott Curtis:uh, I'll have to tweet, uh, I'll let you retweet one, uh, real quick officer tweet. The picture I have in my [01:00:00] office when I was wearing a black and a Brown shoes, very similar. So except for Brown is not deep burgundy. And I just wasn't even looking. I just put them on. I knew it was left and right.

And I went to work. Well, this has been great. I learned a lot from you and, uh, I hope you don't mind that I keyed on the social media stuff more than anything, but I think that's a real good thing that comics completing in their toolkit.

No happy to be here. Thanks for having me, Scott.